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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Peter,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Any real world costs would be useful. They could be anonymised and given as ‘the estimated cost for Windfarm Survey for a site with an area of approximately xx square km is roughly £xx’ sort of statement perhaps?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Edmonds, Peter [mailto:Peter.Edmonds@thecrownestate.co.uk]
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<b>Sent:</b> 20 July 2015 11:03<br>
<b>To:</b> Postlethwaite, Clare; Henni, Paul H.; medin_dacwg@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk; Mowat, Mary R.<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Cost to archive data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">For the Argyll Array, probably not as they did not complete their suite of surveys, but for those that they did complete (e.g. ornithology/mammal surveys),
they probably reflect the costs in the documents fairly well.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">For Atlantic Array the costs would likely have been higher as it was one of the larger projects. We actually have the costs for the Atlantic Array as we contributed
to all of the survey works. I will see if I can find them and if I am able to give you any figures, though these are likely to be commercially sensitive for obvious reasons.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 20, 2015 10:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Edmonds, Peter; Henni, Paul H.; <a href="mailto:medin_dacwg@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk">
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<b>Subject:</b> RE: Cost to archive data</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks Pete and Paul,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As was clear from the meeting last week (and indeed previous discussions), there is not an easy answer to this. I want to make sure that any guideline costs
we publish correctly reflect the amount of work required at the DACs. The 3-5% is based on archiving experience at BODC for oceanographic data, and I provided it to encourage the various DACs to work out if it was an appropriate figure for their data types.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I am hoping that the pilot study being carried out with TCE will help establish a more relevant figure for the complex multidisciplinary surveys Pete is talking
about. Each DAC has now been asked to draw up a costing for archiving all of the datasets they identified as relevant to their DAC (for the 2 pilot study sites).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Pete, are the generic survey cost estimates listed in the document you circulated appropriate for the 2 sites in the pilot study?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best wishes,<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> 20 July 2015 10:27<br>
<b>To:</b> Henni, Paul H.; Postlethwaite, Clare; <a href="mailto:medin_dacwg@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk">
medin_dacwg@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk</a>; Mowat, Mary R.<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Cost to archive data</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This is what I have used to generate my £30m estimate!
<a href="http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/media/5408/ei-a-guide-to-an-offshore-wind-farm.pdf">
http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/media/5408/ei-a-guide-to-an-offshore-wind-farm.pdf</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 20, 2015 10:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Edmonds, Peter; Postlethwaite, Clare; <a href="mailto:medin_dacwg@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk">
medin_dacwg@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk</a>; Mowat, Mary R.<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Cost to archive data</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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What Peter says is important and, for me certainly, good to know on what the range of survey costs are. Is there any work already done and available to us on guideline costs for surveys by survey type and type of data generated? If we had that, we could come
up with guide costings as Peter suggests.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Edmonds, Peter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 20 July 2015 09:55<br>
<b>To:</b> Postlethwaite, Clare; <a href="mailto:medin_dacwg@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Medin_dacwg] Cost to archive data</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Clare,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m not sure that this will be all that helpful to be honest. For a £10,000 budget survey 3-5% (£300-500) is not that material, a reasonable number, and could
probably be found. However, for a £9m geotechnical survey, 3-5% (£270k - £450k) is certainly material, and most importantly way out! I think that an absolute cost range may be more helpful. Say costs of up to £x would/could be covered by the DAC, but above
that there is a sliding scale depending on the factors you outline in the document up to a ceiling of £y. I would have thought that £500 - £5,000 was reasonable. I certainly can’t imagine wanting to spend more than that on data archival.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I also imagine that a suite of examples will be helpful. What might a typical, well-structured hydrographic survey cost to archive vs. what is the maximum could
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As it is I can see industry baulking at the thought of an extra 5% on their already huge costs (we estimate around £30m at risk spend on pre-consent surveying
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Many thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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