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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi Dan et al,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">There are 3 requirements for the data to count as "open" for the data accelerator project.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D">Metadata on data.gov<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D">Direct access to data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D">Data is available under open government license<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Clare<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Dan Lear [mailto:dble@MBA.ac.uk]
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<b>Sent:</b> 20 November 2015 12:29<br>
<b>To:</b> Ulric.Wilson@jncc.gov.uk; Postlethwaite, Clare<br>
<b>Cc:</b> medin_dacwg@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Data Accelerator storage costs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi Ulric,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Not as far as I’m aware, the discussion with Pete wasn’t in the context of the Data Accelerator.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">However as I understand it, reaching the volume of data “needed” to meet Data Accelerator promise is entirely dependent on the granularity of each dataset, and that level of granularity hasn’t been defined.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">We could therefore treat each snippet or still as a dataset and very quickly reach the magic 8,000! I’m not seriously suggesting this as an approach, but it does highlight the lack of clarity around this activity.
The only requirement on ‘open-ness’ that I’m aware of is that it has to be on data.gov.uk.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Dan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:Ulric.Wilson@jncc.gov.uk">Ulric.Wilson@jncc.gov.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:Ulric.Wilson@jncc.gov.uk">mailto:Ulric.Wilson@jncc.gov.uk</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 20 November 2015 12:03<br>
<b>To:</b> Dan Lear; Postlethwaite, Clare<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:medin_dacwg@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk">medin_dacwg@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Data Accelerator storage costs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi Dan,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks for the info. Do you know if there's been any discussion with Defra about this approach – is this approach 'open data enough'?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Ulric<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dr Ulric Wilson</span></b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><br>
Technical Project Manager <br>
Joint Nature Conservation Committee, Monkstone House, City Road, Peterborough PE1 1JY
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Tel: 01733 866853 Fax: 01733 555948 <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Dan Lear [<a href="mailto:dble@MBA.ac.uk">mailto:dble@MBA.ac.uk</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 19 November 2015 20:25<br>
<b>To:</b> Postlethwaite, Clare; Ulric Wilson<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:medin_dacwg@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk">medin_dacwg@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Data Accelerator storage costs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi Ulric,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I had this discussion with Pete Walker (NE) last week relating to MCZ video data.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The way we plan to handle it is as Clare describes, either an “edited highlights” video, ie edited by the data provider to contain a representative range of the habitats/species present in the video or as a series
of stills that would work in the same way.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The original files would still be lodged with us as a DAC, and referenced in the metadata but would be in offline, cheap(er) storage and available on request.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Dan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:medin_dacwg-bounces@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk">medin_dacwg-bounces@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:medin_dacwg-bounces@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk">mailto:medin_dacwg-bounces@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Postlethwaite, Clare<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 18, 2015 9:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Ulric.Wilson@jncc.gov.uk">Ulric.Wilson@jncc.gov.uk</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:medin_dacwg@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk">medin_dacwg@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Medin_dacwg] Data Accelerator storage costs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi Ulric,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">No MEDIN hasn't looked at storage costs in terms of the data accelerator project. As you know the MEDIN funding model is that the data funder pays to archive the data at a MEDIN DAC and the core funding capability
of the DAC covers the storage etc (for the data that each DAC specialises in).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">In terms of large files, UKHO are already serving their very large multibeam datasets so that should be ok (but UKHO would need sufficient warning to anticipate any significant numbers of datasets landing on
their desks).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I believe the way that some of the DACs deal with serving large video files is to make a short section available for download so users can see if it is something that they are interested in and then the full
dataset is available on request.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I'm copying the DAC working group in case they have further comments on online access to large datasets like those you describe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Best wishes,<br>
Clare<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:Ulric.Wilson@jncc.gov.uk">Ulric.Wilson@jncc.gov.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:Ulric.Wilson@jncc.gov.uk">mailto:Ulric.Wilson@jncc.gov.uk</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 17 November 2015 09:08<br>
<b>To:</b> Postlethwaite, Clare<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Data Accelerator storage costs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Clare,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As part of the MEDIN response to the data accelerator / open data process has MEDIN looked at storage costs / types?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Obviously the ideal is for data to be accessible on a direct link – online storage – which is relatively expensive, especially if the data is video or multibeam and very large.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For large data types, how are MEDIN proposing to provide access and does Data Accelerator increase costs beyond the DAC archiving costs already in place?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Any thoughts welcome, as we're looking at all the MCZ video data and wondering if we _<i>really</i>_ need to have online storage for it (especially as many users would be put off by the file sizes anyway).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ulric<o:p></o:p></p>
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Technical Project Manager <br>
Joint Nature Conservation Committee, Monkstone House, City Road, Peterborough PE1 1JY
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