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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Times New Roman">Hi Roy and Taco,</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Times New Roman">I am not convinced that the TRIDENS codes are resolved. We discussed this, but according to my records, we never agreed on a third code for the period 1968-1991. It was at this time that we began discussing the multiple hull coding. I have looked at old ROSCOPS and data here at ICES, and they are quite a mixture of TRIDENS, TRIDENS I & II names and call signs (more than we have discussed), whereas the old (1968-) data are mainly from 64TD.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Times New Roman">I therefore propose 64T0:</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Times New Roman">64T0, call sign PBUG (from ROSCOPS), name TRIDENS from 1968-1991</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Times New Roman">We have already agreed:</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Times New Roman">64T1, call sign PIAO from 1991, name TRIDENS 1 (renamed 15 April 1991), previous name TRIDENS, built 1967/8, IMO6812833, length 60.85</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Times New Roman">And</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Times New Roman">64TD, call sign PBVO, Built 1990, name TRIDENS,<B> IMO8821852</B>, length 73, owner NE govt. </FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Times New Roman">HOWEVER...</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Times New Roman">I am tempted to suggest that 64TD be coded as a multiple hull and a new code made for</FONT><B> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Times New Roman">IMO8821852</FONT></B><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Times New Roman">. No matter what we do there is a mess here. I prefer to guide through the mess with links to the correct information.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Times New Roman">Proposal:</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Times New Roman">64TD, name TRIDENS, multiple hulls</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Times New Roman">64T2, call sign PBVO, Built 1990, name TRIDENS, IMO8821852, length 73, owner NE govt.</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">What do you think of this?</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">-Marilynn</FONT></SPAN>
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<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">From: platforms-bounces@biwebs1.nerc-liv.ac.uk [</FONT></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:platforms-bounces@biwebs1.nerc-liv.ac.uk"><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">mailto:platforms-bounces@biwebs1.nerc-liv.ac.uk</FONT></U></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">] On Behalf Of Roy Lowry</FONT></SPAN>
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<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Subject: Re: [Platforms] TRIDENS Resolving past errors</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Hello again,</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">I suspect that there are ROSCOPs and possibly data around from the original Tridens labelled 64TD. Likewise for the current Tridens, so there are some corrections to be done. I have recently been through this exercise in BODC for RRS Discovery and FS Meteor. Once we have codes set up with clear metadata containing more information that just a name confusion disappears and we are on the road to recovery.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Cheers, Roy.</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">>>> <bruin@nioz.nl> 3/29/2007 7:57 pm >>></FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Hi Roy,</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">After giving the matter some more thought, I realized that we were probably saying the same thing (and this enlightened insight came before I read your email, fortunately :-) ).</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Your answer also gives rise to a new question:</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">I suspect that the code 64TD (according to you for the hull (1991-) has also been used for cruises carried out by the first Tridens (now Tridens I, 64T1).</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Is this true and is there a way to remedy this by adding a THIRD code for the hull operating 1968-1991?</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Cheers,</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Taco</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">-----platforms-bounces@biwebs1.nerc-liv.ac.uk wrote: -----</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">To: <platforms@biwebs1.nerc-liv.ac.uk></FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">From: "Roy Lowry" <rkl@bodc.ac.uk></FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Sent by: platforms-bounces@biwebs1.nerc-liv.ac.uk</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Date: 03/29/2007 05:25PM</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Subject: Re: [Platforms] TRIDENS Resolving past errors</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Hi Taco,</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">I think we are saying the same thing. We have one hull (1991-) with one name, which already has a code (64TD).</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">We have a second hull operating for the gas/oil industry under the name Tridens 1, for which the code 64T1 has been pretty much accepted.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">My request is for a THIRD code to cover this hull when it was operating as Tridens from 1968-1991.</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">If we don't give new codes when the name changes history goes out of the window. For example, the UK ship RRS Charles Darwin (code 74AB) has been sold and renamed Ocean Explorer. If we had renamed code 74AB then about 200 NERC cruises would suddenly chave changed identity from Charles Darwin to Ocean Explorer, which is not good!</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Cheers, Roy.</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">>>> <bruin@nioz.nl> 03/29/07 1:36 PM >>></FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Sorry folks: two ships, two hulls, two names:</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Tridens -1968-1991-operated by Fisheries Institute of the Netherlands, sold to Chase Seismic Survey B.V.</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">(</FONT></SPAN><A HREF="http://www.css-denhelder.nl/frm_info.htm"><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">http://www.css-denhelder.nl/frm_info.htm</FONT></U></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">) in 1991, renamed into Tridens I, now a survey vessel for the offshore oil and gas industry</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Tridens - 1991 - , operated by Fisheries Institute of the Netherlands (new ship, new hull, same name)</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Both vessels have contributed data to the ICES databases, so there should be two different codes.</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">I'll find out about the call sign.</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Please wait for me before taking decisons concerning the Dutch research vessels, I'm in a much better position to find out about their history.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Cheers,</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Taco</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">"Roy Lowry" <rkl@bodc.ac.uk></FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Sent by: platforms-bounces@biwebs1.nerc-liv.ac.uk</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">03/29/2007 01:34 PM</FONT></SPAN>
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<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">cc</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Hi Marilynn,</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">One ship: two names.</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Let us call 64T1</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial"><class>research</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">vessel</class><commissioned>1991-04-15</commissioned><previous_</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">name>Tridens</previous_name><notes>Research vessel owned by Chase</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">name>Seismic</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Survey BV. Built 1968 as Tridens, renamed Tridens I 15 Apr 1991. Length 60.85m, callsign PIAO. Active as at Mar 07.</notes></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">This means we are just short of a code for this ship when she was operated under the name of Tridens by Fisheries Institute of the Netherlands between 1968 and 1991.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Cheers, Roy.</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">>>> Marilynn Sørensen <marilynn@ices.dk> 3/29/2007 12:04:03 pm >>></FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Hi Roy,</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Is it correct that you are saying that the proposed 64T1 really refers to two ships? Could you/someone supply the attributes?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Cheers,</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Marilynn</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">-----Original Message-----</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">From: platforms-bounces@biwebs1.nerc-liv.ac.uk</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">[</FONT></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:platforms-bounces@biwebs1.nerc-liv.ac.uk"><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">mailto:platforms-bounces@biwebs1.nerc-liv.ac.uk</FONT></U></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">] On Behalf Of Marilynn Sørensen</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Sent: 20 March 2007 17:52</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">To: Roy Lowry; platforms@biwebs1.nerc-liv.ac.uk</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Subject: [Platforms] Netherlands TRIDENS and TRIDENS 1</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Hi everyone,</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">I have checked with Lloyds and have found the following for Netherlands TRIDENS and TRIDENS I:</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">1) Existing NODC/ICES code: 64TD, name TRIDENS, Built 1990, Call sign PBVO, Notes: IMO8821852, length 73, owner NE govt.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">2) New ICES code: 64T1, name TRIDENS 1, Built 1967 (note not 1993 as in spreadsheet), Call sign PIAO, Previous name TRIDENS (changed in 1990),</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Notes: IMO6812833, length 61, owner Chase Seismic Survey BV</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Marilynn</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">-----Original Message-----</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">From: platforms-bounces@biwebs1.nerc-liv.ac.uk</FONT></SPAN>
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<BR><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Sent: 29 March 2007 12:51</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Dear All,</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">As I try to rationalise the ship codes for POGO I keep running into the confusion caused by ships being renamed.</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Problem 1: Beautemps-Beaupré</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">We have code 35BB which seems to be connected to the current French naval survey ship (pennant A758, commissioned 2003). Worryingly I have a note about a 35BB launched in 1939, so it looks like we have another case of a code transferring from one ship to another.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">I propose that we keep the code 35BB for A758 and have a new code labelled up for the old 'Beautemps Beaupré', which I don't think had the hyphen.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Note the the the name in RECO for 35BB has no hyphen, which I think is incorrect.</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Problem 2: Tridens</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">I think we are now clear that the history is that there was a fishery research vessel called Tridens, which was sold to a commercial outfit and renamed Tridens I. A new fishery research vessel came on the scene and inherited the name Tridens. Again, the code (64TD) was passed from one ship to another. I think that we need 3 codes here, but we only have one.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">My suggestion would be:</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Keep 64TD for the current fishery research vessel Tridens Set up a new code for commercial survey vessel Tridens I Set up a new code for the original Tridens when she was operating as a fishery research vessel</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Is everyone, particularly Michele and Taco, happy with this?</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-gb"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Cheers, Roy.</FONT></SPAN>
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