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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The platform code governance group approved this code in 2007.
When a code is proposed there is a period of time in which national platform
contacts have an opportunity to raise an objection, there were no objections in
the case of 29AH and so the code is implicitly agreed by the community. There
is very little resource for managing this activity and there is enough work to
be doing without having to review existing and agreed codes. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Jordi – is your system capable of handling 29AH as the
code for Sarmiento de Gamboa? If so, then i would suggest you keep with this
code and we will reserve 29SG on the platform list to ensure there isn’t
any confusion in the future. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I will take this opportunity once again to stress that systems
should not be built around codes with implied meaning, at some point quite soon
we will run out of codes in the current format and certainly the association
between the codes and it’s implied meta information will dissappear. The
meta-data fields we have established are the ultimate repository of platform
information and not the code itself.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Neil.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>
platforms-bounces@biwebs1.nerc-liv.ac.uk
[mailto:platforms-bounces@biwebs1.nerc-liv.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lowry,
Roy K.<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 08 November 2010 15:08<br>
<b>To:</b> jordi sorribas<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Sara IDE ICM; Alberto H. J.; sorribas@utm.csic.es; platforms;
Maria-Jesus García<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Platforms] changing code<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Jordi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I think the only place where your environment and our
environment meet is the ship code embedded in an XML CSR form.=A0 If this is
correct then one possible solution would be for you to use 29SG internally with
an automatic translation to 29AH on CSR XML generation.=A0 It is not what I
would do: my preference would be to use 29AH and educate people to recognise it
as Sarmiento de Gamboa.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Should you choose to go down that road it may be less risky if
we were to prevent future allocation of the code ‘29SG’ by
ICES. Is that possible?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Cheers, Roy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>
jordi sorribas [mailto:sorribas@cmima.csic.es] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 08 November 2010 13:30<br>
<b>To:</b> Lowry, Roy K.<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Alberto H. J.; María Jesús García Fernández; platforms;
sorribas@utm.csic.es; Sara IDE ICM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: changing code<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Hi all,<br>
It seems that is very complicated to change from 29AH to 29SG. For us it is
really important to get this code as 29SG because we will use also as a part of
the code for naming files (metadata and data) from this ship.<br>
For us and for our SeaDataNetdata center it is very convenient to use these
ship code as a part of the filenames because directly suggest the ship
where the files come from.<br>
In this case the assignation of AH is a mistake (nothing to do with the real
name of the ship) and as the Sarmiento de Gamboa is really "recent"
ship in operation I think that nobody has been produced any metadata related
with her yet.<br>
I know and understand the technical difficulties on change any term of the
vocabularies but ¿Is there any way to overcome this mistake?<br>
Thank you very much for your help.<br>
<br>
Jordi Sorribas (UTM Computing and Telecom Facilities Manager)<br>
<br>
<br>
El 08/11/10 11:57, Lowry, Roy K. escribió: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hello
Alberto,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>You
say there will be no problem if Sarmiento de Gamboa has two different
codes. I strongly disagree. Both ICES an I publish the platform
vocabularies internationally and have published 29AH as the accepted code. How
do you know that nobody else is building metadatabases based on the ship code
from our publications? I am pretty sure that groups at Woods Hole and
Lamont Doherty are doing this and I know for a fact that USNODC maintain a
separate ship code list. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>When
suggesting soft deprecation I hadn’t fully thought through the issue of
how the platform is represented on the Semantic Web. The result of
allocating a second code would be that Sariemnto de Gamboa has two URNs,
strings by which she is known to software agents that automatically process
metadata. People might know which code to choose, but a computer will not
unless it has been specifically programmed to expect the possibility of two
codes, which is highly unlikely. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Consequently,
please stick with the code that has been assigned and avoid these
problems. We have been working with the code of 74E3 for RRS Discovery
without any problems.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Regards,
Roy.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Alberto H. J. [<a
href="mailto:ahernandez@cmima.csic.es">mailto:ahernandez@cmima.csic.es</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 08 November 2010 10:44<br>
<b>To:</b> María Jesús García Fernández; Lowry, Roy K.<br>
<b>Cc:</b> platforms; <a href="mailto:sorribas@utm.csic.es">sorribas@utm.csic.es</a>;
Sara IDE ICM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: changing code</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Dear Roy,<br>
<br>
For us your propouse of "soft deprecate" will be suitable. There will
not be any problem if the vessel Sarmiento de Gamboa has two codes (the old
code 29AH and the new code 29SG).<br>
<br>
Because we are the responsible group to public metadates for this vessel and no
one else will do this. For this reason there will not be any mistake.<br>
<br>
For us this issue is very important because we need that people can identify
the ship with its code. We must use this code to create the Metadates.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Alberto.<br>
<br>
<br>
<b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>This is
not a good idea as somebody is bound not to read the note. The ICES system will
have exactly the same problem.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>El 5 de noviembre de 2010 11:23:59 UTC+1, María Jesús García
Fernández <<a href="mailto:MJesus.garcia@md.ieo.es">MJesus.garcia@md.ieo.es</a>>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=ES style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Dear</span></b><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'> Roy,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=ES style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>I think the code "29AH" has not been used up to now. For
this reason probably a "soft deprecate" is not a bad solution.
Anyway, I leave to you the decision. </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>I am sending a copy of this e-mail to the CSIC/UTM team
interested in changing the code in case they want to make some comments. </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Un saludo, María Jesús</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>-----Mensaje original-----<br>
</span><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De: Lowry, Roy
K. [mailto:<a href="mailto:rkl@bodc.ac.uk" target="_blank">rkl@bodc.ac.uk</a>] <br>
Enviado el: 05 November 2010 09:40<br>
Para: María Jesús García Fernández; <a
href="mailto:platforms@biwebs1.nerc-liv.ac.uk" target="_blank">platforms@biwebs1.nerc-liv.ac.uk</a><br>
Asunto: RE: changing code </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span lang=ES
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS \, sans-serif \;"'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sorry María Jesús,</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My system is fundamentally
designed so that once a code has been assigned to a concept then it cannot be changed.
All I could do is to 'soft deprecate' the code: in other words Sarmiento
de Gamboa would have two codes assigned with a note saying to use the new code
rather than the old. This is not a good idea as somebody is bound not to
read the note. The ICES system will have exactly the same problem.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Current thinking is that the
code should be meaningless to humans - it is simply a label used by computers
to represent the concept. There is at least one example where the convention of
having a country code in bytes 1 and 2 has been broken and I'm sure more will
follow.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers, </span></b><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Roy. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> María Jesús García
Fernández [mailto:<a href="mailto:MJesus.garcia@md.ieo.es" target="_blank">MJesus.garcia@md.ieo.es</a>]
<br>
Sent: 05 November 2010 07:48<br>
To: <a href="mailto:platforms@biwebs1.nerc-liv.ac.uk" target="_blank">platforms@biwebs1.nerc-liv.ac.uk</a><br>
Cc: Lowry, Roy K.<br>
Subject: changing code </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span lang=ES
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Dear Platform group,</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The operator of the Spnish ship "
Sarmiento de Gamboa" is interesting in changing the ship code assigned by
the platform group "29AH" . The would prefer a new code
"29SG" or similar. The ship is very new and if a new code is
accepted, here in </span></b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Spain
CSIC and IEO) will take the responsibility to change or ask to change the old
code for the new code in the ROSCOP or any other metadatafile.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The information of this Ship:</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span lang=PT-BR
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Name: Sarmiento de
Gamboa</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span lang=PT-BR
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Plaformclass:
reaserch vessel</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Commisioned: 2006</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Code asigned:29AH</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Notes: Research vessel, built 2008. </span></b>Operated
by CSIC UTM (Marine Technology Unit). <span lang=ES>Active as at Jun 2007,
length 70.5m.</span><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>New code required: 29SG or similar.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thanks a lot.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Un saludo, María Jesús</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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