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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hello Alberto,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>You say there will be no problem if Sarmiento de Gamboa has two
different codes. I strongly disagree. Both ICES an I publish the platform vocabularies
internationally and have published 29AH as the accepted code. How do you know
that nobody else is building metadatabases based on the ship code from our
publications? I am pretty sure that groups at Woods Hole and Lamont Doherty
are doing this and I know for a fact that USNODC maintain a separate ship code
list. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>When suggesting soft deprecation I hadn’t fully thought
through the issue of how the platform is represented on the Semantic Web. The
result of allocating a second code would be that Sariemnto de Gamboa has two
URNs, strings by which she is known to software agents that automatically
process metadata. People might know which code to choose, but a computer will
not unless it has been specifically programmed to expect the possibility of two
codes, which is highly unlikely. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Consequently, please stick with the code that has been assigned
and avoid these problems. We have been working with the code of 74E3 for RRS
Discovery without any problems.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Regards, Roy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Alberto H. J.
[mailto:ahernandez@cmima.csic.es] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 08 November 2010 10:44<br>
<b>To:</b> María Jesús García Fernández; Lowry, Roy K.<br>
<b>Cc:</b> platforms; sorribas@utm.csic.es; Sara IDE ICM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: changing code<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Dear Roy,<br>
<br>
For us your propouse of "soft deprecate" will be suitable. There will
not be any problem if the vessel Sarmiento de Gamboa has two codes (the old
code 29AH and the new code 29SG).<br>
<br>
Because we are the responsible group to public metadates for this vessel and no
one else will do this. For this reason there will not be any mistake.<br>
<br>
For us this issue is very important because we need that people can identify
the ship with its code. We must use this code to create the Metadates.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Alberto.<br>
<br>
<br>
<b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This
is not a good idea as somebody is bound not to read the note. The ICES system
will have exactly the same problem.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>El 5 de noviembre de 2010 11:23:59 UTC+1, María Jesús García
Fernández <<a href="mailto:MJesus.garcia@md.ieo.es">MJesus.garcia@md.ieo.es</a>>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
lang=ES style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Dear</span></b><span
lang=ES style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> Roy,</span><span
lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
lang=ES style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span></b><span
lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>I think
the code "29AH" has not been used up to now. For this reason probably
a "soft deprecate" is not a bad solution. Anyway, I leave to you the
decision. </span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span></b><span
lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>I am
sending a copy of this e-mail to the CSIC/UTM team interested in changing
the code in case they want to make some comments. </span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span></b><span
lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Un saludo,
María Jesús</span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span></b><span
lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span></b><span
lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span></b><span
lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>-----Mensaje
original-----<br>
</span><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De: Lowry, Roy
K. [mailto:<a href="mailto:rkl@bodc.ac.uk" target="_blank">rkl@bodc.ac.uk</a>] <br>
Enviado el: 05 November 2010 09:40<br>
Para: María Jesús García Fernández; <a
href="mailto:platforms@biwebs1.nerc-liv.ac.uk" target="_blank">platforms@biwebs1.nerc-liv.ac.uk</a><br>
Asunto: RE: changing code </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span lang=ES style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'> </span></b><span
lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Sorry María Jesús,</span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My system is fundamentally designed so that once a code has been
assigned to a concept then it cannot be changed. All I could do is
to 'soft deprecate' the code: in other words Sarmiento de Gamboa would
have two codes assigned with a note saying to use the new code rather than the
old. This is not a good idea as somebody is bound not to read the note.
The ICES system will have exactly the same problem.</span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Current thinking is that the code should be meaningless to
humans - it is simply a label used by computers to represent the concept. There
is at least one example where the convention of having a country code in bytes
1 and 2 has been broken and I'm sure more will follow.</span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Cheers, </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Roy. </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> María Jesús García Fernández [mailto:<a
href="mailto:MJesus.garcia@md.ieo.es" target="_blank">MJesus.garcia@md.ieo.es</a>]
<br>
Sent: 05 November 2010 07:48<br>
To: <a href="mailto:platforms@biwebs1.nerc-liv.ac.uk" target="_blank">platforms@biwebs1.nerc-liv.ac.uk</a><br>
Cc: Lowry, Roy K.<br>
Subject: changing code </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'> </span></b><span
lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span lang=ES style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Dear
Platform group,</span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span lang=ES style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></b><span
lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The
operator of the Spnish ship " Sarmiento de Gamboa" is interesting in changing
the ship code assigned by the platform group "29AH" . The would
prefer a new code "29SG" or similar. The ship is very new and
if a new code is accepted, here in </span></b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Spain
CSIC and IEO) will take the responsibility to change or ask to change the old code
for the new code in the ROSCOP or any other metadatafile.</span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></b><span
lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The
information of this Ship:</span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></b><span
lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span lang=PT-BR style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"'>Name: Sarmiento de Gamboa</span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span lang=PT-BR style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"'>Plaformclass: reaserch vessel</span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Commisioned:
2006</span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Code
asigned:29AH</span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Notes:
Research vessel, built 2008. </span></b>Operated by CSIC UTM (Marine Technology
Unit). <span lang=ES>Active as at Jun 2007, length 70.5m.</span><span lang=ES
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></b><span
lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>New
code required: 29SG or similar.</span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></b><span
lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></b><span
lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thanks
a lot.</span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></b><span
lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Un
saludo, María Jesús</span></b><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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