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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hello everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We have yet another Royal Canadian Navy submarine: the HMCS Ojibwa (18OJ), currently no platform class assigned and many missing attributes that I will fill
soon.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">To answer Neil’s question from a Canadian perspective, these navy submarines measured temperature and sound velocity vs. depth from the 1960s to the late 1990s
in the North Atlantic (from Bermuda to the West Coast of Scotland), using eXpendableBathyTHermographs, likely for military purposes (primarily).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Compiling data from our three submarines (Onondaga, Ojibwa and Okanagan):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">15% of observations are profiles starting in the top 10 m;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">75% of observations are profiles starting between 10 m and 30 m depth;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">10% of observations are profiles starting below 30 m depth and 76 m depth<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">à</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The average profile length is 72 m; average starting depth is 18 m; and average end
depth 90 m; the shortest profile is 17 m “long”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So we can clearly rule out naval vessel because of the surface criterion, and I would too vouch for “propelled manned submersible” (21), though it begs the
question of what is “submersible” (20) reserved for ? Perhaps for cases when we don’t know whether the sub-categories 21-27 would apply but for which we know that the platform is a submersible of some sort ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Mathieu<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De :</span></b><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Neil Holdsworth [mailto:NeilH@ices.dk]
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<b>Envoyé :</b> 10 février 2014 07:39<br>
<b>À :</b> Lowry, Roy K.; Accessions; platforms@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk<br>
<b>Cc :</b> Ouellet, Mathieu<br>
<b>Objet :</b> RE: [Platforms] CANADA - ONONDAGA (Additional Information)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Roy,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks for picking this up, nobody has jumped into the debate so I will try and pick up the ‘ICES’ viewpoint. I don’t have a first hand understanding
of exactly what type of observations these naval submarines are undertaking, so what I’m about to say may be off the mark.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Naval vessel is perhaps too broad a term as there can be a great variation in the type of vessel which may encompass several platform classes.
Furthermore, we have to be 100% sure that the measurements that the submarine take are on the surface otherwise the ‘naval vessel’ L06 definition would be incorrect:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">“A platform operating on the surface of the water column in unpredictable locations that is primarily equipped, manned and operated for military
purposes. Includes surface warships of all sizes and logistic support vessels.”</span></i><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So I would vote for ‘propelled manned submersible’ as the most accurate term in the platform class that gives the best match of the nature of the
vessel. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Btw – for consistency with its derivitaves, should ’20 – submersible’ have a definition that states ‘in the water column’ rather than ‘within a
water body’?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best, Neil<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Lowry, Roy K. [mailto:rkl@bodc.ac.uk]
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<b>Sent:</b> 06 February 2014 12:34<br>
<b>To:</b> Accessions; platforms@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mathieu.Ouellet@dfo-mpo.gc.ca<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Platforms] CANADA - ONONDAGA (Additional Information)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I noticed a couple of naval submarines going through in the past couple of days - Onondaga and Okanagan - plus there's some other about such as
USS Pogy. The platform class assignments have been totally inconsistent - with these three we have 'naval vessel', 'submersible' and 'propelled manned submersible'. Could we possibly agree on one of them and then standardise?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My vote would go for 'naval vessel' because to me that is the main operational constraint on the vessel's data collection activities, but I appreciate
that isn't the only possible viewpoint. Any other opinions?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cheers, Roy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:accessions@ices.dk">accessions@ices.dk</a> [<a href="mailto:accessions@ices.dk">mailto:accessions@ices.dk</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 03 February 2014 15:04<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:platforms@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk">platforms@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:Mathieu.Ouellet@dfo-mpo.gc.ca">Mathieu.Ouellet@dfo-mpo.gc.ca</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Platforms] CANADA - ONONDAGA (Additional Information)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-GB">Dear Platform Group, <br>
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Additional information including spelling correction has come in for the vessel <a href="http://admin.ices.dk/requests/Default.aspx?id=708" target="_blank">
ONONDAGA</a> from CANADA. <br>
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Code : 18OD <br>
Name : <a href="http://admin.ices.dk/requests/Default.aspx?id=708" target="_blank">
ONONDAGA</a> <br>
Flag : CANADA - CA (ISO Country Code) <br>
Call Sign : CGNQ <br>
Title : HMCS <br>
Platform Class : 20 Submersible <br>
Pennant : S73 <br>
Commissioned Date : 1967-06-22 <br>
Decommissioned Date : 2000-07-28 <br>
Current Length : 90 <br>
Built : 1967-06-22 <br>
Notes : Oberon Class submarine which operated primarily with the Maritime Forces Atlantic, (Royal) Canadian Navy,
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<b>Additional Information Sources:</b> <br>
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- <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMCS_Onondaga_(S73)">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMCS_Onondaga_(S73)</a>
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<b>General Comments:</b> <br>
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1965-09-25 is launch date <br>
(Marilynn Sorensen 03/02/2014 00:00:00)<br>
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Original spelling mistake "Onandaga" changed to "Onondaga". <br>
(Marilynn Sorensen 03/02/2014 00:00:00)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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