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<p>Dear Platform Group,
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<br />Information has come in for the vessel <a href='http://vocab.ices.dk/Request/Default.aspx?id=10608' target='_blank'>New Liskeard</a> from CANADA. This involves a name change at NOAA from HMCS HISKCARD to HMCS New Liskeard and the addition of 18HI at ICES to align with NOAA.
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<br />Proposed Code : 18HI
<br />Name : <a href='http://vocab.ices.dk/Request/Default.aspx?id=10608' target='_blank'>New Liskeard</a>
<br />Flag : CANADA - CA (ISO Country Code)
<br />Title : HMCS
<br />Platform Class : 39 Naval vessel
<br />Pennant : 168
<br />Commissioned Date : 1946
<br />Decommissioned Date : 1958-04-22
<br />Current Length : 68.6
<br />Built : 1944-11-21
<br />Notes : WOD 8179. Pennant 168 from 1946. Previous pennant J397. Minesweeper with title HMCS involved in DFO's current survey of 1950.
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<br /><b>Additional Information Sources:</b>
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<br /> - http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/59115.pdf
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<br /> - http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/350947.pdf
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<br /><b>Same Vessels Info:</b>
<br /><b>18NL</b> - NEW LISKEARD
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<br /><b>General Comments:</b>
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<br />Yes, cruise CA121823 currently assigned to HMCS New Liskeard takes place on the Sep 14 1944 while the HMCS New Liskeard was not yet built. I can confirm* that the HMCS New Liskeard fitting and trials in the yard were still taking place in Nov 1944 and she was commissioned on Nov 21 1944 for the first time.
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<br />On Canadas East Coast, the only bathythermograph sets that were procured in 1944 and fitted into ships were on the senior officer ships of two local escort groups, EG16 and EG27, which would mean the HMCS Springhill from August 1944 onwards and the HMCS Meon from October 19 onwards, respectively. Therefore, it seems that the CA121823 profiles could be tentatively attributed to the HMCS Springhill (WOD code 8435). The HMCS Springhill doesnt have an ICES code so Ill request one now.
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<br />1945 is a different story, more BT sets were procured and fitted in the East Coast warships in 1945.
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<br />*sources:
<br />MacPherson & Burgess, The ships of Canadas naval forces 1901-1993
<br />Tunnicliffe, Ocean Acoustics in World War II (essay), in Journal of Oceanic Technology, #5, vol.5, May-Aug 2010
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<br />(Mathieu Ouellet 18/07/2014 00:00:00)<br />
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<br />Unfortunately, we cant simply reassign all data from 8179 (1946-1950) to 947 because there are data from these two codes intersecting in time. I need more time to check if these data intersecting in time may have been collected by the same ship.
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<br />Also we have data from 947 collected on 9/14/44 . The September 1944 data were collected before New Liskeard was built on 1944-11-21. These inconsistencies in time should also be resolved.
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<br />(Alexandra Grodsky 02/07/2014 00:00:00)<br />
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<br />I agree with the information below, including the cut-off date.
<br />(Mathieu Ouellet 02/07/2014 00:00:00)<br />
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<br />I have taken a look at the Hiskcard, New Hiskcard, New Liskard, and New Liskeard names and codes. My conclusions based on Mathieus work are:
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<br /> These are the same vessel with the name New Liskeard
<br /> 18 HI WOD 8179 should be changed from HMCS HISKCARD to HMCS New Liskeard
<br /> 18NL WOD 947 should be changed from HMCS New Liskard to CNAV New Liskeard
<br /> The cutoff year should be the refitting to an oceanographic research vessel (CNAV) after april 23, 1958 https://www.flickr.com/photos/dr_gorham/6028574063/in/set-72157627391379147
<br /> WOD 947 at OCL contains submissions for HMCS and CNAV Liskeard and these should be rearranged under the proper code based on the April 23, 1958 cutoff.
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<br />I have attached the information that I propose to send to the platform group. Please take a look and let me know if you agree or disagree.
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<br />(Marilynn Sorensen 14/06/2014 00:00:00)<br />
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<br />The New Liskeard has had 2 titles, CNAV and HMCS. CNAV means Canadian Naval Auxiliary Vessel. HMCS in 1950. CNAV in 1962.
<br />(Marilynn Sorensen 13/06/2014 00:00:00)<br />
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<br />http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/59115.pdf gives 1950 documentation for HMCS New Liskeard
<br />(Marilynn Sorensen 13/06/2014 00:00:00)<br />
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<br />Royal Canadian Navy ships were almost always named after ciities, towns or other toponyms. *Hiskcard, or *Hisckcard, or *Hiskard... are not valid toponyms in Canada: http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/name.php
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<br />Google searches for any valid Royal Canadian Navy ship name usually turns many results, including from amateur sites (readyayeready.com; forposterityssake.ca; wikipedia, etc.) and government sites alike (veterans, Navy, DFO, etc). But a Google search of "New Hiskcard" only reports a handful of links to the US NODC list or accession system. An archived Canadian weekly from 1941 does mention a place named "New Hiskcard" but scrutiny shows that it is an OCR error; the L was interpreted as an H and the e as an e.
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<br />(Mathieu Ouellet 29/04/2014 00:00:00)<br />
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<br />Hello Mathieu,
<br />I have reassigned cruises CA014690 and CA014718 from ship code 8179 (18HI New Hiskcard) to
<br />10715 (18TB SHIPPAGAN).
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<br />(Alexandra Grodsky 28/04/2014 00:00:00)<br />
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<br />Do not assign 18HI. Pending research by Mathieu Ouellet concerning NOAA list 18HI HMCS Hiskcard. He believes it to be the HMCS New Liskeard.
<br />(Marilynn Sorensen 22/04/2014 00:00:00)<br />
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