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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks Marilynn,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I wasn’t pressing, I just wanted to be absolutely sure we were all on the same page before I submitted a large batch of change requests. It’s much easier for
everybody if I get it right.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As for pennant syntax, I sent you a military callsign list as a PDF a couple of months back, which includes pennants as well as callsigns. That could be a good
model to follow. Again, my primary concern is avoiding inputting large amounts of information into your system that then need to be changed later.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cheers, Roy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> 16 December 2015 13:16<br>
<b>To:</b> Lowry, Roy K.; 'Donald W. Collins'; 'platforms@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk'; 'NODC.Services@noaa.gov'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Platforms] US Navy Pennants and Ship Names<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The inconsistencies where ships have title as part of the name reflect a manpower issue – not a disagreement. At ICES we have been
slowly updating a number of attributes: titles are being removed from the names and put in the title attribute, attributes such as MMSI or drill ship which are reported in the notes are being moved/entered in the relevant attribute field, etc. We appreciate
you (and others!) entering any information as it helps us prioritise. But it takes time to handle these changes/additions manually.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As for the pennant, we are not following any standard because we are not aware of standards. So, any sources documenting the standard
for a country should be sent to <a href="mailto:accessions@ices.dk">accessions@ices.dk</a>.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> Donald W. Collins <<a href="mailto:donald.collins@noaa.gov">donald.collins@noaa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 15 December 2015 20:17<br>
<b>To:</b> Lowry, Roy K.; <a href="mailto:platforms@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk">platforms@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk</a>;
<a href="mailto:NODC.Services@noaa.gov">NODC.Services@noaa.gov</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Platforms] US Navy Pennants and Ship Names</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Hi, Roy, et al,<br>
See inline comments below...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On 12/13/15 12:34 PM, Lowry, Roy K. wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I am currently in the process of adding attributes for several hundred US Navy Vessels into the ICES system as a part of the synchronisation of the ICES list with the C17
list in NVS. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">This work has raised a couple of issues:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">1) Pennants. US Navy practice is to only carry the numeric portion of the pennant on the hull but this is prefixed by an alphanumeric classification in all references to
the pennant. For example, USS Nimitz has '68' painted on her hull, but has the classification 'CVN' to indicate that she is a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier. However, the syntax used for pennant references varies between sources. Wikipedia hyphenates the
two parts, such as 'CVN-68', but what I would regard as more naval sources such as UK Admiralty naval callsign lists and ship Facebook pages (e.g. <a href="https://www.facebook.com/cvn68" id="LPlnk19082">https://www.facebook.com/cvn68</a>), use a space such
as 'CVN 68'. I am currently following the navies and standardising on spaces, but before I get too far down the path (I've put 30-40 into the system so far) does anybody have strong reasons for a hyphen to be included.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">In addition to relatively authoritative self-managed sources (e.g., the USS Nimitz facebook page), I noticed that other 'authoritative
sources', such as compendia published by Jane's (e.g., Jane's Fighting Ships), use a space as the separator not a hyphen. I agree with your approach and would follow the convention established in more authoritative and curated sources than Wikipedia and not
use a hyphen. I will alert you if I am able to find a US Navy source that says otherwise.<br>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">2) Whoever set up the US Navy codes in ICES in the 1990s was fond of brevity and certainly didn't approve of writing out Christian names in full when these were a part
of the ship name. For example the ship widely listed as Forrest Sherman is 'F. Sherman'. This has been the cause of a significant number of alerts put on the ICES system by Frank Sejer. I am systematically working through ship class lists (e.g. Forrest Sherman
destroyers) which makes this contradiction glaringly obvious. I strongly feel that the names should be expanded to match the published class lists and am therefore putting name change proposals into the ICES system. I am also proposing removal of titles from
names to the title attribute (e.g. USS Normandy to Normandy). Does anybody disagree?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">As noted, there was a now-abandoned practice in the late-1990s and early-2000s to insert 'USS' into the name field for US Navy vessels. I've been slowly
updating these entries to separate USS from the Name. I agree with making this change and to making any other necessary changes to update names as necessary. However, be advised that the staff time allocated in US NCEI (former NODC) for managing this information
is minimal, so there will be delays in getting the US NCEI information to match ICES.<br>
Cheers, <br>
Don Collins <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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