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<div>Apologies Mathieu,</div>
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<div><font face="tahoma">Yet another senior moment! Having clarified the identity issue can you help me by commenting on/updating my proposed definitions?</font></div>
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<div><font face="tahoma">Cheers, Roy.</font></div>
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<font color="#000000" size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> seavox-bounces@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk [seavox-bounces@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ouellet, Mathieu [Mathieu.Ouellet@dfo-mpo.gc.ca]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 12 August 2013 14:34<br>
<b>To:</b> seavox@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Seavox] FW: L06 extensions<br>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"><span class="554492713-12082013">Just to clear up a confusing matter, I did provide some sea ice definitions from Environment Canada to validate the proposed "ice pack" category. But it
seems from Roy's email that my identity as been confused with that of Mathieu Belbeoch from JCOMMOPS. I would like to clarify that I don't work for JCOMMOPS and that my message came from my point of view of working at the NODC of Canada, in cooperation with
GTSPP and SOT, and aligning the platform definitions of our platforms when submitting our data to the GTS and also to the WOD.</span></font></div>
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<font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> seavox-bounces@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk [mailto:seavox-bounces@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lowry, Roy K.<br>
<b>Sent:</b> August 12, 2013 3:30 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Seavox] FW: L06 extensions<br>
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<div>Should have replied to the list, not just John....</div>
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<font color="#000000" size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Lowry, Roy K.<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 12 August 2013 08:19<br>
<b>To:</b> John Graybeal<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Seavox] L06 extensions<br>
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<div>Hi John,</div>
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<div><font face="tahoma">I think we're on different wavelengths regarding the gliders. What I'm trying to distinguish - following your initial suggestion - are gliders whose spatio-temporal feature type may be reasonably be considered a 2D trajectory (i.e.
having a single nominal depth in metadata works) from those where the feature type needs to be a 3D trajectory (i.e. the data make no sense without a depth co-ordinate variable). You obviously didn't get this from my definitions. The need to surface didn't
come into it. If I replace 'within the water column' by 'at variable depths significantly below the surface' does that make it clearer?</font></div>
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<div><font face="tahoma">A drogue is an underwater parachute attached at a depth of around 40m to surface drifting buoys to encourage them to follow the motion of the water rather than the surface winds. I considered this to be a well-known term - it's certainly
well used by people I know. Admittedly 'undrogued' is an adaptation of the word that won't be found in the Oxford English Dictionary, but it is creeping into common usage in the operational oceanography community. According to JCOMMOPS it is critical to the
definition. I'll clarify by adding '(no underwater parachute)' unless anybody else objects.</font></div>
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<div><font face="tahoma">I inherited the sea ice definitions (via Mathieu at JCOMMOPS) from
</font><font face="Arial">The Canadian Ice Service of Environment Canada, but rephrased them slightly - possibly not very well. Can anybody provide me with improved wording?</font></div>
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<div><font face="arial">Cheers, Roy.</font></div>
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<font color="#000000" size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> seavox-bounces@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk [seavox-bounces@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk] On Behalf Of John Graybeal [jbgraybeal@mindspring.com]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 09 August 2013 16:59<br>
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<div>A few thoughts.
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<div>3C and 27 are difficult to distinguish. No gliders are exclusively on the sea surface, if by 'glider' we mean a system that uses buoyancy to initiate forward motion. They are all able to operate within the water column. So I might say</div>
<div>3C: A platform with buoyancy-based propulsion that routinely surfaces to meet its objectives. </div>
<div>27: A platform with buoyancy-based propulsion that can routinely meet its mission objectives without surfacing.</div>
<div>These are then mutually exclusive.</div>
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<div>49: The term 'undrogued' is unfamiliar to me, and to my 3 buddies with ocean background. Looking it up seems to product multiple definitions. Any chance we could be more specific? Or perhaps it isn't critical to the definition?</div>
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<div>93/94: 'covering over/under 70% of the sea surface' -- at what scale is this metric assessed? I assume we don't mean of the _entire_ sea surface, but we don't mean of the sea surface within 1 meter, either. </div>
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<div>On Aug 1, 2013, at 05:49, "Lowry, Roy K." <<a href="mailto:rkl@bodc.ac.uk">rkl@bodc.ac.uk</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>Dear All,</div>
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<div>Discussions on this have gone quiet, so I'll summarise what has been said into a proposal for change:</div>
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<div>New codes:</div>
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<div>CODE: 3C</div>
<div>Preferred Label: surface gliders</div>
<div>Definition: A platform with buoyancy-based propulsion that is confined to operation on the sea surface.</div>
<div>Mapping: broadMatch to surface autonomous vehicle</div>
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<div>CODE: 27</div>
<div>Preferred Label: sub-surface gliders</div>
<div>Definition: A platform with buoyancy-based propulsion that is able to operate within the water column.</div>
<div>Mapping: broadMatch to autonomous underwater vehicle</div>
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<div>CODE: 49</div>
<div>Preferred Label: surface ice buoy</div>
<div>Definition: An undrogued surface float that is deployed in regions where sea ice forms that moves with either ice or water depending upon the time of year.</div>
<div>Mapping: broadMatch drifting surface float</div>
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<div>CODE: 93</div>
<div>Preferred Label: pack ice</div>
<div>Definition: Sea ice not connected to land covering over 70% of the sea surface.</div>
<div>Mapping: broadMatch cryosphere</div>
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<div>CODE: 94</div>
<div>Preferred Label: drift ice</div>
<div>Definition: Sea ice not connected to land covering under 70% of the sea surface.</div>
<div>Mapping: broadMatch cryosphere</div>
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<div>If there are no further comments I'll add these records to the vocabulary when I return from leave on August 20<font size="1"><sup>th</sup></font>.</div>
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<div>Cheers, Roy.</div>
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<div>Please note that I now work part-time from Tuesday to Thursday. E-mail response on other days is possible but not guaranteed!</div>
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