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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hello everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Since the example mentioned is a Canadian toponym, I’d like to mention that the Canadian authority is the Geographical Names Board of Canada:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/earth-sciences/geography/place-names/search/9170">http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/earth-sciences/geography/place-names/search/9170</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The record for St. Marys River is here:
<a href="http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/unique/FDTBK">http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/unique/FDTBK</a> . As you can see, the official name lacks the genitive apostrophe. This is not the case of all Canadian toponyms. There are other rivers
in Canada known as St. Mary’s River, with the apostrophe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The use of “St.” in English Canadian toponyms seems prevalent, but there could be exceptions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">A familiar case which summarizes the lack of rigid grammar rules when it comes to toponymy (Canadian at least), would be that of the cities of St. John’s (Newfoundland)
and Saint John (New Brunswick). The distinct spelling allows us to refer to either city without having to specify which one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My preference would be to stick to official toponyms designated by local authoritative bodies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As for the polygon question, perhaps this image can shed some light:
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Marys_River_%28Michigan%E2%80%93Ontario%29#mediaviewer/File:StMarys-River.png">
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Marys_River_%28Michigan%E2%80%93Ontario%29#mediaviewer/File:StMarys-River.png</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Mathieu Ouellet<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De :</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Greg Reed [mailto:greg@metoc.gov.au]
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<b>Envoyé :</b> 15 janvier 2015 08:06<br>
<b>À :</b> Lowry, Roy K.<br>
<b>Cc :</b> seavox@mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk<br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [Seavox] Extensions to the C19 vocabulary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Roy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1. St. IHO uses St. Lawrence, St. Charles etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">2. The trend is to drop the apostrophe but I note that IHO still uses them, e.g. St David's Head, St Govan's Head, etc<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">cheers, Greg<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 15 January 2015 at 23:40, Lowry, Roy K. <<a href="mailto:rkl@bodc.ac.uk" target="_blank">rkl@bodc.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Happy New Year.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">David Hart (producer of the Winsconsin Coastal Atlas) has kindly made available geometry polygons for a number of named water bodies in the NE United States for inclusion in the 'SeaVoX salt
and fresh water body gazetteer'. A list of the names is in the attached Word document. The geometries are large - anyone who would like to look at any of them please get in touch with Pauline Weatherall (<a href="mailto:paw@bodc.ac.uk" target="_blank">paw@bodc.ac.uk</a>)
and she will arrange FTP access. One specific question for those with local knowledge is whether the St. Mary's River polygon should extend to the boundary with Lake Superior.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The data set has raised a couple of general naming standardisation issues on which your opinions would be appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Abbreviation for 'Saint' in names such as 'Saint Lawrence'. My preference would be 'St.' - any alternative views.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Should possessive appostrophes be included - i.e. 'St. Marys' or 'St. Mary's'. Coming from an old fashioned grammar school background I would tend to include them, but are there any reasons why we shouldn't?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Any comments on this proposed extension to C19 or the specific points above welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Cheers, Roy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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