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Dear colleagues,<br>
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Actually, I want to use both :<br>
<ul>
<li>L05 in the metadata CDI files where I would like to
distinguished XBTs from MBTs</li>
<li> L22 codes in the data files on the SDN_parameter_mapping
lines where I will add the L22 codes of the XBT or MBT used.</li>
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<p>The generic L22 codes could also be useful for us for managing <b>old
historical</b> <b>data</b> where we do not find the exact type
of XBT that was used, which unfortunately happens quite often.<br>
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Best regards<br>
<br>
Michèle<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 10/10/2018 à 17:11, Lowry, Roy K. a
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Dear Alessandro,</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I don't see Michele's
request for L05 and your request for a generic XBT entry in
L22 as mutually exclusive. </p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I think Michele needs to
distinguish XBTs and MBTs in CDI records, which are marked up
using L05 rather than L22. This needs the L05 extension unless
Michele is happy to use the XLINK mechanism to link to L22
concepts even though this isn't searchable through the CDI
interface. </p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Michele, have I
understood this correctly? Could you please confirm that you
still want the new L05 entries?</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">A generic XBT entry
could be set up in L22. I don't like generic entries because
they encourage short-cuts when creating metadata. It's much
easier to use a generic concept than do the research necessary
to obtain a more precise description of the data production
tool. However, I do concede that there are times when no
amount of research will provide the necessary information and
a generic concept has to be used. A note to all is that this
should be considered as a last resort. There are times - such
as drop-rate equation corrections - where detailed knowledge
of the XBT type is important. </p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Cheers, Roy.</p>
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Altenburger, Alessandro <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:aaltenburger@inogs.it"><aaltenburger@inogs.it></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 October 2018 11:15<br>
<b>To:</b> Lowry, Roy K.<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:seavox@mail.nerc-liv.ac.uk">seavox@mail.nerc-liv.ac.uk</a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sdc-tech@seadatanet.org">sdc-tech@seadatanet.org</a>; Darroch, Louise J.<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [sdc-tech] New L05 concepts</font>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear All,
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<div>would it be possible to keep L05 as iti
(bathythermographs) and save the information on
"expendable bathythermographs" in L22 vocab,
possibly adding a new general term like"Generic
XBT" (following the example for the L22 code
labelled "TOOL0001")?</div>
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<div>This new L22 term would be useful for our
needs.</div>
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<div>Many thanks in advance,</div>
<div>best regards,</div>
<div>Alessandro</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Il giorno ven 5 ott 2018 alle ore 16:02
Lowry, Roy K. <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Dear All,</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">A couple of
suggestions here. </p>
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<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">First, the
new terms should be mapped to the existing term
within NVS. </p>
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<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Secondly,
in an ideal world semantic reasoning when
searching metadata would cause records marked up
with the new terms to be selected when searching
for 'bathythermographs'. To my knowledge we
haven't got this functionality so it might be a
good idea to include 'bathythermographs' as well
as 'expendable bathythermographs' when marking up
XBT metadata.</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Cheers,
Roy.</p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [sdc-tech] New L05 concepts</font>
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<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal">Dear
colleagues</p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal">I
would like to propose two new L05
categories. In a similar manner for CTDs,
they are more granular terms for
bathythermographs (132). This is to help our
users distinguish between XBTs and MBTs:</p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal">Long_name:
Expendable bathythermographs
</p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal">Short_name:
XBT</p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal">Description:
Disposable, free-falling probes that measure
temperature in relation to depth using a
thermistor and electronic data acquisition
system. Probes are dropped into the water
and a temperature signal is transferred to
the platform by a wire that breaks when the
wire is out. Depth is calculated as a
function of time to descend and a known
constant rate of descent.</p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal">Long_name:
Mechanical bathythermographs
</p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal">Short_name:
MBT</p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal">Description:
Tethered probes that measure temperature in
relation to depth using a temperature and
pressure package that is lowered into the
water and subsequently retrieved using a
winch. The profile of temperature is
recorded mechanically by etchings on a glass
slide. Depth is calculated as a function of
pressure.</p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal">Please
could I have any feedback by the 12<sup>th</sup>
October?</p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal">Many
thanks</p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal">Lou</p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal"><span>Dr
Louise Darroch</span></p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal"><span>Senior
Data Scientist</span></p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal"><span>British
Oceanographic Data Centre (BODC)</span></p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal"><span>National
Oceanography Centre, Liverpool</span></p>
<p class="x_m_7512662570379014406x_MsoNormal"><span>Tel:
</span><span>+44 (0)151 795 4883</span></p>
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