[Medin_standards] keyword issue

[Lowry, Roy K.]

Hi again,

If somebody is willing to design/build an administrative units classification, then I will happily serve it through the NVS. Once served, it can be set up as an additional keyword source for MEDIN documents.  As with the Crown Estate vocabularies, entries can be mapped to the parent P02 term.  This means that metadata marked up with specific administrative unit types will be found by semantically-aware search clients looking for 'Administrative units' (which might possibly become  'Administrative and legislative units'.

 What is needed is a straw man (James seems to be volunteering) that we can circulate and amend on this list.  All that's required is a two-column table containing administrative unit category labels and their definitions.

Cheers, Roy.

From: James Dargie [mailto:James.Dargie at snh.gov.uk]
Sent: 30 May 2012 10:17
To: Lowry, Roy K.; Becky Seeley
Cc: Cotton, David P.
Subject: RE: keyword issue

Hi,

I can validate the data, as Becky kindly suggested I use 'Horizontal spatial co-ordinates' which does link through to an INSPIRE topic, it may not be the most appropriate keyword term for trying to give meaningful description to the dataset (the whole point of keywording) but it has allowed me to at l3east get a valid xml metadata record which I'm content to run with for now. So in terms of urgency I can let live for now, but MEDIN do need to take on board that if we want medtadata that is effective as well as compliant, then we do need appropriate term lists.

So, yes I can see that it would be useful work for the MEDIN standards group to define an administrative units classification. If we are wanting a list of Administrative units to form a domain-specific vocab of 'Conservation zone extents', i.e the different types of zone extents then I'm sure I can assist ensuring the detailed designation types are listed.

James




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From: Lowry, Roy K. [mailto:rkl at bodc.ac.uk]
Sent: 29 May 2012 21:46
To: Becky Seeley; James Dargie
Cc: Cotton, David P.
Subject: RE: keyword issue
Right,

Let's start to gather/exchange some basic information.

First, the P02 vocabulary is a collection of terms that describes the parameters in a dataset in such a way that it facilitates the discovery of that dataset when attached to that dataset as keywords. In no way is it a resource that describes the dataset to which it is linked.

Secondly, it was initially designed to annotate datasets comprising individual ocean geographic features.  In other words, as soon as the mapping to the INSPIRE topic OGF breaks down it starts to move outside its comfort zone.

There have been two precedents in MEDIN where we have sidestepped this issue by setting up a P02 keyword that is very generic which is then backed up by one or more keywords from domain-specific vocabularies.  This has been partially done for marine archeology (but I await the domain-specific vocabs to load into NVS) and the Crown Estates datasets (where I have just set up two new vocabularies (M03 and M04) to Crown Estates specification) that accompany the very bland P02 term 'Man-made structures'.

We could do the same for James and other datasets of this type - set up something bland in P02 whose primary function is to map the dataset to the INSPIRE theme 'Administrative Units'  and then define an additional keyword vocab to classify administrative unit under MEDIN governance that could be used to tag metadata in addition to the P02 keyword.

So, what do people think?
Could developing an administrative units classification be a job for the MEDIN standards group?
If we go for a P02 'Administrative Units' term, which P03 terms (NOT term) would it map to?  Does this exist or does P03 need extending?
What kind of time pressures are we under for James to publish the metadata that is currently failing verification?

Cheers, Roy.



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From: Becky Seeley [bese at MBA.ac.uk]
Sent: 29 May 2012 16:57
To: Lowry, Roy K.
Cc: Cotton, David P.
Subject: FW: keyword issue
Hi Roy,

See James' response below, it's never simple... :)

I think there may also be a role for your Conservation zone extents keyword in describing the formalised extents at the end of the process e.g we already have some layers of SSSI or SAC extents which would fall under the term you described. But James makes the point at the moment they are not formalised so this is inappropriate and politically controversial for the layers he is describing.

My feeling is that we may also need an additional P03 keyword to cover this type of data as habitat is not really an appropriate home for it.

Many thanks for your help.

Bex



From: James Dargie [mailto:James.Dargie at snh.gov.uk]
Sent: 29 May 2012 16:42
To: Becky Seeley
Cc: Ben James
Subject: RE: keyword issue

Interesting wrt the 'administration' terms in P03; no wonder I didnae find a value that suited my purposes!

I'm agreed that relevant keywords for Search location boundaries need to relate to the INSPIRE 'Administrative units' topic.

wrt the P03 term 'Habitat', the MPA Search location boundaries are units within which the Scottish MPA project will examine the evidence basis (species or habitats, large scale features, geodiversity features) for designating an MPA somewhere within the Search location (the final boundaries not necessarily equating to the search location boundary). As such these boundaries are not the habitats; they do not fit well within P03 'Habitat'.

I like the sound of a P02 term: 'Conservation zone extents', though whether it best sits under P03 'Habitats' I think is far more questionable. When we get round to drawing actual MPA boundaries this term would suit them well and I'd welcome its presence as a keyword somewhere in the hierarchy.

However, I cannot describe the Search location boundaries as 'Conservation zone extents'; in fact it would be extremly controversial if SNH were to be seen to describe them as a conservation zones, they are merely part of the process of defining the conservation zones that will pop out at the end of the process. I'd suggest a P02 level term something down the lines of:

'Conservation process extents'
'The geographic boundaries of areas within which the scientific evidence base is examined for suitability for designation as a Conservation zone of some description', I'm open better suggestions for the term name or descriptor....

sorry....

Best wishes

James

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From: Becky Seeley [mailto:bese at MBA.ac.uk]
Sent: 29 May 2012 12:10
To: James Dargie
Subject: FW: keyword issue

Any comments on this as a solution, not convinced that habitat is the correct root? Obviously we can send you an interim xml file as this will take over a week to clear.

Cheers

Bex

From: Lowry, Roy K. [mailto:rkl at bodc.ac.uk]
Sent: 29 May 2012 11:19
To: Becky Seeley
Cc: Cotton, David P.; Leoni Adams; Lowry, Roy K.
Subject: RE: keyword issue

Hi Becky,

First of all, the 'administration' in P03 means parameter administration (things like auxiliary variables) and 'dimensions' means co-ordinate variables.  Nothing to do with regulation or legislation. Funny how many different ways there are to interpret meaning as usage moves away from original context. Basically, the whole 'administration and dimensions' group shouldn't be used in simple discovery metadata like MEDIN.  The only reason it exists is to provide a pathway in user interfaces to this type of information.

Right, to James's problem.  Obviously what is needed is something new, that maps to the INSPIRE 'Administrative units' topic.  Looking at what already exists, we have the P03 term 'Habitat'.  How about putting the following new P02 term under that?

'Conservation zone extents'
'The geographic boundaries of areas in which human activity is regulated for the preservation of flora and fauna or the habitat they require'

Comments on the definition welcome - possibly include James in the loop - as this certainly isn't my area of expertise. Once we're happy within MEDIN, I'll put the addition to the SeaDataNet governance and if they're happy (usually no problem) then I'll make the change.

Not sure what 'urgent' means.  If I get the e-mail off to SeaDataNet this week then I should be able to have the change done week beginning June 11 (on leave next week).  Would that be OK?

Cheers, Roy.


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