[Seavox] L06 extension

[Lowry, Roy K.]

Dear All,

I'm happy with this suggestion, except I'd like to keep the reference to unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) as a search target. As Nan says we can add finer grained codes should the need arise.

Unless there are any objections make the changes on Thursday (26).

Cheers, Roy.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Graybeal [mailto:jbgraybeal at mindspring.com]
Sent: 17 March 2015 04:01
To: Lowry, Roy K.
Cc: Nan Galbraith; seavox at mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk
Subject: Re: [Seavox] L06 extension

Thoughts without conclusions....

I think an autonomous aircraft is one that doesn't require remote piloting of any sort -- it's not just human-independent, it's self-contained.

Whereas a remotely piloted aircraft is one that can be remotely piloted at all, even if there may be a human pilot aboard?

At first I didn't realize the last sentence in each definition was meant to bridge both definitions. It's useful but maybe there's another path that is clearer: actually define the term 'unmanned aircraft' as "Any heavier-than-air aircraft that is not occupied by people; may be a remotely piloted aircraft or an autonomous aircraft. Also referred to as a drone."

I also like to stay ahead of usage (i.e., setting up additional codes up front), but common usage doesn't always follow the path of greatest terminological distinction. So sometimes there's an advantage to seeing where the paths go before you pour the sidewalks, I guess.

Hopefully helping,

John

P.S. By the way, I'm sure unmanned autonomous aircraft exist today -- I saw some science done with one off the California coast, in fact. In the US, if it isn't in flight lanes (under 100 feet I think) and isn't commercial, it's arguably legal, if I recall correctly. They did some cool observing patterns with it to measure the CODAR/HF RADAR signal coverage.  (And I bet the military have a few, too!)



On Mar 10, 2015, at 06:58, Lowry, Roy K. <rkl at bodc.ac.uk> wrote:

> Thanks Nan,
>
> I was trying to follow the International Civil Aviation Authority classification, which has two types: remotely piloted and autonomous. As you say, if this granularity proves too coarse we can add child concepts in the future.
>
> In my initial e-mail I was aiming to just cover remotely-piloted with the new code. Or do you think I should set up the additional code for fully-autonomous now as well? This would give us:
>
> remotely piloted aircraft
> RPA
> A heavier-than-air aircraft without a human pilot aboard that is controlled remotely by a human pilot. Also referred to, together with computer-controlled aircraft, as a drone or unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV).
>
> autonomous aircraft
> A heavier-than-air aircraft without a human pilot aboard that is controlled by on-board or remote computers. Also referred to, together with aircraft piloted remotely by a human, as a drone or unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV).
>
> My reasons for including UAV (so hard not to type AUV!!!!!) and drone for that matter was to provide a target for free text searches - many of these have been implemented to include the alternative label and definition as well as the preferred label.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nan Galbraith [mailto:ngalbraith at whoi.edu]
> Sent: 10 March 2015 13:30
> To: seavox at mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: [Seavox] L06 extension
>
> Hi Roy -
>
> Yes, I agree, this seems like it will be needed soon, if it isn't already.
>
> My only concern is whether you'll need to differentiate between the many types of unmanned aerial vehicles that may be in use, or can these be added later as subclasses?
>
> Last point - is there such a thing as a non-human pilot? Can an RPA be piloted by a computer, and does that make a difference to its function as a platform?
>
> Like Bob, I thought UAV was probably the acronym you'd want in the definition (or, do you need to supply an acronym there at all?).
>
> Cheers -
>
> Nan
>
> On 3/10/15 8:48 AM, Robert C. Groman wrote:
>> Roy,
>>
>> I think you meant to write UAV for "unmanned aerial vehicle", since
>> AUV is an abbreviation for "autonomous underwater vehicle".
>>
>> Cheers, Bob
>>
>> On 3/10/2015 7:29 AM, Lowry, Roy K. wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>> I've had a request to extend the platform type (L06) to include an
>>> additional child entry under 'non-buoyant aircraft' for unmanned
>>> aerial vehicles, sometimes referred to as drones. These are a
>>> platform type that has entered scientific (as opposed to military)
>>> use since the vocabulary was last revised and so an extension seems
>>> reasonable.  The simplest approach to take would be to add:
>>> remotely piloted aircraft
>>> RPA
>>> A heavier-than-air aircraft without a human pilot aboard that is
>>> controlled remotely by a human pilot. Also referred to as a drone or
>>> unmanned aerial vehicle (AUV).
>>> This leaves the way open for autonomous aircraft as a future L06
>>> addition should the associated legal and liability issues be resolved.
>>> Comments or alternative suggestions?
>>> Cheers, Roy.
>
>
> --
> *******************************************************
> * Nan Galbraith                        (508) 289-2444 *
> * Upper Ocean Processes Group            Mail Stop 29 *
> * Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution                *
> * Woods Hole, MA 02543                                *
> *******************************************************
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Seavox mailing list
> Seavox at mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk
> http://mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/seavox
>
> This message (and any attachments) is for the recipient only. NERC is subject to the Freedom of Information Act 2000 and the contents of this email and any reply you make may be disclosed by NERC unless it is exempt from release under the Act. Any material supplied to NERC may be stored in an electronic records management system.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Seavox mailing list
> Seavox at mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk
> http://mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/seavox


This message (and any attachments) is for the recipient only. NERC is subject to the Freedom of Information Act 2000 and the contents of this email and any reply you make may be disclosed by NERC unless it is exempt from release under the Act. Any material supplied to NERC may be stored in an electronic records management system.