[Medin_dacwg] Cost to archive data

Henni, Paul H. phoh at bgs.ac.uk
Mon Jul 20 11:30:39 BST 2015 

Hi Peter,

Any real world costs would be useful. They could be anonymised and given as 'the estimated cost for Windfarm Survey for a site with an area of approximately xx square km is roughly £xx' sort of statement perhaps?

Cheers,

Paul

From: Edmonds, Peter [mailto:Peter.Edmonds at thecrownestate.co.uk]
Sent: 20 July 2015 11:03
To: Postlethwaite, Clare; Henni, Paul H.; medin_dacwg at mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk; Mowat, Mary R.
Subject: RE: Cost to archive data

Hi,

For the Argyll Array, probably not as they did not complete their suite of surveys, but for those that they did complete (e.g. ornithology/mammal surveys), they probably reflect the costs in the documents fairly well.

For Atlantic Array the costs would likely have been higher as it was one of the larger projects. We actually have the costs for the Atlantic Array as we contributed to all of the survey works. I will see if I can find them and if I am able to give you any figures, though these are likely to be commercially sensitive for obvious reasons.

Thanks,

Pete

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From: Postlethwaite, Clare [mailto:cfpo at bodc.ac.uk]
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 10:43 AM
To: Edmonds, Peter; Henni, Paul H.; medin_dacwg at mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk<mailto:medin_dacwg at mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk>; Mowat, Mary R.
Subject: RE: Cost to archive data

Thanks Pete and Paul,
As was clear from the meeting last week (and indeed previous discussions), there is not an easy answer to this. I want to make sure that any guideline costs we publish correctly reflect the amount of work required at the DACs.  The 3-5% is based on archiving experience at BODC for oceanographic data, and I provided it to encourage the various DACs to work out if it was an appropriate figure for their data types.

I am hoping that the pilot study being carried out with TCE will help establish a more relevant figure for the complex multidisciplinary surveys Pete is talking about. Each DAC has now been asked to draw up a costing for archiving all of the datasets they identified as relevant to their DAC (for the 2 pilot study sites).

Pete, are the generic survey cost estimates listed in the document you circulated appropriate for the 2 sites in the pilot study?

Best wishes,
Clare


From: Edmonds, Peter [mailto:Peter.Edmonds at thecrownestate.co.uk]
Sent: 20 July 2015 10:27
To: Henni, Paul H.; Postlethwaite, Clare; medin_dacwg at mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk<mailto:medin_dacwg at mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk>; Mowat, Mary R.
Subject: RE: Cost to archive data

This is what I have used to generate my £30m estimate! http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/media/5408/ei-a-guide-to-an-offshore-wind-farm.pdf

Thanks,

Pete

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From: Henni, Paul H. [mailto:phoh at bgs.ac.uk]
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 10:06 AM
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Subject: RE: Cost to archive data

Hi All,

What Peter says is important and, for me certainly, good to know on what the range of survey costs are. Is there any work already done and available to us on guideline costs for surveys by survey type and type of data generated? If we had that, we could come up with guide costings as Peter suggests.

Cheers,

Paul

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From: medin_dacwg-bounces at mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk<mailto:medin_dacwg-bounces at mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk> [mailto:medin_dacwg-bounces at mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Edmonds, Peter
Sent: 20 July 2015 09:55
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Subject: Re: [Medin_dacwg] Cost to archive data

Hi Clare,

I'm not sure that this will be all that helpful to be honest. For a £10,000 budget survey 3-5% (£300-500) is not that material, a reasonable number, and could probably be found. However, for a £9m geotechnical survey, 3-5% (£270k - £450k) is certainly material, and most importantly way out! I think that an absolute cost range may be more helpful. Say costs of up to £x would/could be covered by the DAC, but above that there is a sliding scale depending on  the factors you outline in the document up to a ceiling of £y. I would have thought that £500 - £5,000 was reasonable. I certainly can't imagine wanting to spend more than that on data archival.

I also imagine that a suite of examples will be helpful. What might a typical, well-structured hydrographic survey cost to archive vs. what is the maximum could be imagined for a large and poorly structured set of data from a survey? Etc.

As it is I can see industry baulking at the thought of an extra 5% on their already huge costs (we estimate around £30m at risk spend on pre-consent surveying for a typical size offshore wind farm).

Many thanks,

Pete

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From: medin_dacwg-bounces at mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk<mailto:medin_dacwg-bounces at mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk> [mailto:medin_dacwg-bounces at mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Postlethwaite, Clare
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Subject: [Medin_dacwg] Cost to archive data

Dear MEDIN DAC Working Group,

One of the actions on me at last week's meeting was to draft a paragraph on the cost to archive data at DACs. Can you give it a read to check you are happy with the message and that the 3-5% estimate holds for the types of data you deal with. Just to remind you, this was requested by DEFRA, the PSEG " access to industry data" project and to be a FAQ on the MEDIN website. So I'm looking for comments on the text itself and whether it is appropriate to be used for those purposes.

All comments to me please by 27th July.
Best wishes,
Clare



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