[Platforms] US Navy Pennants and Ship Names

[Lowry, Roy K.]

Thanks Greg,


I'll remember that when I get around to synchronising the Australian entries (this is my initial retirement occupation). Interesting that you got my message - I didn't and assumed that it hadn't been sent.


Cheers, Roy.


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From: gregreed98 at gmail.com <gregreed98 at gmail.com> on behalf of Greg Reed <greg at metoc.gov.au>
Sent: 14 December 2015 06:11
To: Lowry, Roy K.
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Subject: Re: [Platforms] US Navy Pennants and Ship Names

Hi Roy

For Australian navy ships we do not include HMAS in the ship name but it is include in the
title attribute. This is consistent with what you are proposing. The pennant name for RAN ships sometimes includes a space, sometimes not (but not hyphens).

regards, Greg



On 14 December 2015 at 04:34, Lowry, Roy K. <rkl at bodc.ac.uk<mailto:rkl at bodc.ac.uk>> wrote:


Dear All,


I am currently in the process of adding attributes for several hundred US Navy Vessels into the ICES system as a part of the synchronisation of the ICES list with the C17 list in NVS.


This work has raised a couple of issues:


1) Pennants. US Navy practice is to only carry the numeric portion of the pennant on the hull but this is prefixed by an alphanumeric classification in all references to the pennant. For example, USS Nimitz has '68' painted on her hull, but has the classification 'CVN' to indicate that she is a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier. However, the syntax used for pennant references varies between sources. Wikipedia hyphenates the two parts, such as 'CVN-68', but what I would regard as more naval sources such as UK Admiralty naval callsign lists and ship Facebook pages (e.g. https://www.facebook.com/cvn68), use a space such as 'CVN 68'. I am currently following the navies and standardising on spaces, but before I get too far down the path (I've put 30-40 into the system so far) does anybody have strong reasons for a hyphen to be included.

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2) Whoever set up the US Navy codes in ICES in the 1990s was fond of brevity and certainly didn't approve of writing out Christian names in full when these were a part of the ship name. For example the ship widely listed as Forrest Sherman is 'F. Sherman'. This has been the cause of a significant number of alerts put on the ICES system by Frank Sejer. I am systematically working through ship class lists (e.g. Forrest Sherman destroyers) which makes this contradiction glaringly obvious. I strongly feel that the names should be expanded to match the published class lists and am therefore putting name change proposals into the ICES system. I am also proposing removal of titles from names to the title attribute (e.g. USS Normandy to Normandy).  Does anybody disagree?


Cheers, Roy.


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