[Seavox] L06 extension
Nan Galbraith
ngalbraith at whoi.edu
Tue Mar 24 14:03:44 GMT 2015
Hi again, Roy (and all)
A minor, maybe even frivolous, point: is it a given that a vehicle is
limited to
either water or air, or will there be a time when drones can go
underwater, or
move across land?
I'm raising this point because we routinely deploy SBE39s as back-up air
temp
sensors on our buoys, which raises questions when we describe the
instrument.
That's led me to think that including the medium in an instrument/platform
definition isn't necessarily a good idea.
Cheers - Nan
On 3/24/15 9:47 AM, Isenor, Anthony wrote:
>
> I would consider that to be a “tethered” platform; where as a UAV in
> my mind is capable of more maneuverability. Interesting though,
> because I am now wondering if your winged kite should be distinguished
> from an aerostat (a tethered balloon).
>
> I also think it worthwhile to maintain UAV as a search target.
>
> </Anthony>
>
> *From:*John Graybeal [mailto:jbgraybeal at mindspring.com]
> *Sent:* March-24-15 10:07 AM
> *To:* Roy Lowry
> *Cc:* seavox at mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Seavox] L06 extension
>
> Yes, my 'unmanned aircraft' name could just as well be 'unmanned
> aerial vehicle (UAV)'.
>
> So is one of those flying kites that Google et al put up for energy
> generation or network coverage a UAV too, do you figure?
>
> http://www.google.com/makani/
>
> John
>
> On Mar 24, 2015, at 03:44, Lowry, Roy K. <rkl at bodc.ac.uk
> <mailto:rkl at bodc.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> I'm happy with this suggestion, except I'd like to keep the reference
> to unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) as a search target. As Nan says we
> can add finer grained codes should the need arise.
>
> Unless there are any objections make the changes on Thursday (26).
>
> Cheers, Roy.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Graybeal [mailto:jbgraybeal at mindspring.com]
> Sent: 17 March 2015 04:01
> To: Lowry, Roy K.
> Cc: Nan Galbraith; seavox at mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk
> <mailto:seavox at mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Seavox] L06 extension
>
> Thoughts without conclusions....
>
> I think an autonomous aircraft is one that doesn't require remote
> piloting of any sort -- it's not just human-independent, it's
> self-contained.
>
> Whereas a remotely piloted aircraft is one that can be remotely
> piloted at all, even if there may be a human pilot aboard?
>
> At first I didn't realize the last sentence in each definition was
> meant to bridge both definitions. It's useful but maybe there's
> another path that is clearer: actually define the term 'unmanned
> aircraft' as "Any heavier-than-air aircraft that is not occupied by
> people; may be a remotely piloted aircraft or an autonomous aircraft.
> Also referred to as a drone."
>
> I also like to stay ahead of usage (i.e., setting up additional codes
> up front), but common usage doesn't always follow the path of greatest
> terminological distinction. So sometimes there's an advantage to
> seeing where the paths go before you pour the sidewalks, I guess.
>
> Hopefully helping,
>
> John
>
> P.S. By the way, I'm sure unmanned autonomous aircraft exist today --
> I saw some science done with one off the California coast, in fact. In
> the US, if it isn't in flight lanes (under 100 feet I think) and isn't
> commercial, it's arguably legal, if I recall correctly. They did some
> cool observing patterns with it to measure the CODAR/HF RADAR signal
> coverage. (And I bet the military have a few, too!)
>
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2015, at 06:58, Lowry, Roy K. <rkl at bodc.ac.uk
> <mailto:rkl at bodc.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Nan,
>
> I was trying to follow the International Civil Aviation Authority
> classification, which has two types: remotely piloted and autonomous.
> As you say, if this granularity proves too coarse we can add child
> concepts in the future.
>
> In my initial e-mail I was aiming to just cover remotely-piloted with
> the new code. Or do you think I should set up the additional code for
> fully-autonomous now as well? This would give us:
>
> remotely piloted aircraft
> RPA
> A heavier-than-air aircraft without a human pilot aboard that is
> controlled remotely by a human pilot. Also referred to, together with
> computer-controlled aircraft, as a drone or unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV).
>
> autonomous aircraft
> A heavier-than-air aircraft without a human pilot aboard that is
> controlled by on-board or remote computers. Also referred to, together
> with aircraft piloted remotely by a human, as a drone or unmanned
> aerial vehicle (UAV).
>
> My reasons for including UAV (so hard not to type AUV!!!!!) and drone
> for that matter was to provide a target for free text searches - many
> of these have been implemented to include the alternative label and
> definition as well as the preferred label.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nan Galbraith [mailto:ngalbraith at whoi.edu]
> Sent: 10 March 2015 13:30
> To: seavox at mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk <mailto:seavox at mailman.nerc-liv.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Seavox] L06 extension
>
> Hi Roy -
>
> Yes, I agree, this seems like it will be needed soon, if it isn't already.
>
> My only concern is whether you'll need to differentiate between the
> many types of unmanned aerial vehicles that may be in use, or can
> these be added later as subclasses?
>
> Last point - is there such a thing as a non-human pilot? Can an RPA be
> piloted by a computer, and does that make a difference to its function
> as a platform?
>
> Like Bob, I thought UAV was probably the acronym you'd want in the
> definition (or, do you need to supply an acronym there at all?).
>
> Cheers -
>
> Nan
>
> On 3/10/15 8:48 AM, Robert C. Groman wrote:
>
> Roy,
>
> I think you meant to write UAV for "unmanned aerial vehicle", since
> AUV is an abbreviation for "autonomous underwater vehicle".
>
> Cheers, Bob
>
> On 3/10/2015 7:29 AM, Lowry, Roy K. wrote:
>
> Dear All,
> I've had a request to extend the platform type (L06) to include an
> additional child entry under 'non-buoyant aircraft' for unmanned
> aerial vehicles, sometimes referred to as drones. These are a
> platform type that has entered scientific (as opposed to military)
> use since the vocabulary was last revised and so an extension seems
> reasonable. The simplest approach to take would be to add:
> remotely piloted aircraft
> RPA
> A heavier-than-air aircraft without a human pilot aboard that is
> controlled remotely by a human pilot. Also referred to as a drone or
> unmanned aerial vehicle (AUV).
> This leaves the way open for autonomous aircraft as a future L06
> addition should the associated legal and liability issues be resolved.
> Comments or alternative suggestions?
> Cheers, Roy.
>
>
>
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